Our next guest is a free soloing phenomenon,
please welcome Alex Honnold.
Here is what I don't understand.
One little mistake, one little slip,
and you fall and die.
Yeah, I mean, uh, you seem to understand it well...
And I feel like anynoby
could conceivably die on any given day.
Soloing makes it feel far more immediate and much more present.
Does it feel different to be up there without a rope?
When you're climbing without a rope,
it's obviously like much higher consequence,
much, much higher level of focus.
You know, it's a whole different experience.
So it's not like I'm just pushing and pushing and pushing
until something terrible happens.
I don't look at it, like, with that perspective.
But maybe that's why it's dangerous for me.
Maybe I'm too close to it
and I can't tell that I'm speeding towards a cliff.
I like to differentiate between risk and consequence.
You know, when I'm doing these hard free solos
I like to think that the risk,
you know, the chance of me falling off is quite low
even though the consequence is extremely high.
And that's kind of like
one of the appeals of free soloing, you know,
to take something that seems difficult
and dangerous and make it feel safe.
So, do you think that, uh,
being a rock climber has been a positive or negative
for your dating life?
- My dating life? - Yeah.
I think, uh, I think overall it's been a negative.
Um, I just travel too much and I live in a car.
Let's talk through some of
the climbing adventures you've had.
The historic free solo climb, Moonlight Buttress.
When I did it, it was like, "Oh,"
you know, kind of groundbreaking, kind of extreme.
But for me it always felt quite easy and pretty secure.
Well, that wasn't where you stopped,
because that next challenge then
was free soloing Half Dome.
Half Dome was a huge step for me
because it was twice as big as anything I'd ever soloed.
Free solo is so dangerous
that less than 1% of people who climb attempt it.
Alex has done more than 1,000 free solo climbs,
but none were tougher than this one.
I got quite scared in some places,
and then you start to panic a little bit.
And then you have to, like, reel it all back in.
What is next in free solo climbing?
Well, I don't know, I mean, I've thought about El Cap,
like, for years and every year I look at it and I'm like,
"That's really scary."
Um, well, I've never even wanted to really,
or I've always wanted to but then
I've always been like, "That's too scary."
I'm aiming towards the most beautiful valley on earth.
I remember coming to Yosemite as a little kid
and my dad would always have a little cooler in the back of the car,
and have our cookies in the cold milk,
and we'd sit on these slabs above Tunnel View,
which is, like, the most epic view of Yosemite.
As soon as you see El Cap it's like,
"Oh, there it is, pretty exciting."
El Cap is the most impressive wall on earth.
Yeah, I mean I love, I love being in the van.
I probably feel extra comfortable in the van now
because I've lived in it for nine years.
My first van, well, I actually stole the family minivan.
My dad died when I was 19 and I, I quit school.
There was some life insurance.
I had just enough to dirt bag.
Six years ago I was living in a Walmart parking lot
and spending eighty-eight cents on dinner every night.
Living in a van is great but, you know,
at a certain point it'd be nice to have a bathroom
and have, like, a shower at least.
So you have a girlfriend now, I heard.
- Hmm, trending towards one. - Trending towards?
Hmm, I mean, she's very supportive about,
like, you know, you have to do you.
Yeah we'll, we'll see.
But yeah, there probably will be plenty of girlfriends in my life,
you know, in terms of, like, big climbing,
lifetime achievement deals, where you're just like, well,
think I will always choose climbing, over, over a lady.
At least, you know, so far.
How many times have you climbed El Cap?
Probably like 40 something maybe.
- You ever free solo? - No and nobody has.
-你单人徒手攀岩过吗 -没有 没人试过
Why haven't you done it yet?
Um, look at it, like, I mean, you know,
think about it, it's freaking scary.